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GOAT
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 Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: All-time Series Win Leaders (Prime) |
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1. Magic Johnson 32-8
1. Scottie Pippen 32-8
3. Robert Horry 31-6
4. Shaquille O'Neal 31-8
5. Michael Jordan 30-7
5. Kobe Bryant 30-7
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 30-11
8. Michael Cooper 28-5
9. Bill Russell 27-2
10. Dennis Rodman 26-5
11. Dennis Johnson 25-8
12. Tim Duncan 25-9
13. Julius Erving 25-13
14. Derek Fisher 24-4
15. James Worthy 24-5
16. John Havlicek 23-5
17. Larry Bird 23-8
18. George Mikan 22-1
19. Robert Parish 22-8
20. Byron Scott 21-5
21. Danny Ainge 20-7
22. Horace Grant 19-5
22. Vern Mikkelsen 19-5
24. Kevin McHale 19-10
25. Jim Pollard 18-2
26. Tony Parker 18-7
27. Wilt Chamberlain 18-11
28. Bruce Bowen 17-4
29. Chauncey Billups 17-7
30. Hakeem Olajuwon 17-10
31. Rasheed Wallace 17-11
31. Bobby Jones 17-11
33. Kurt Rambis 16-3
34. Vinnie Johnson 16-6
35. Isiah Thomas 16-7
35. Bill Laimbeer 16-7
35. Bob Cousy 16-7
38. Maurice Cheeks 16-10
39. Jerry West 16-11
39. Jeff Hornacek 16-11
41. John Stockton 16-15
42. Karl Malone 16-18
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WillC
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What does the 'prime' part of the title mean?
Lots of great names on that list... Horry is so damn high, he really sticks out like a sore thumb. But he was great in the clutch. I met him earlier this year. Top man. |
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GOAT
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| WillC wrote: |
What does the 'prime' part of the title mean?
Lots of great names on that list... Horry is so damn high, he really sticks out like a sore thumb. But he was great in the clutch. I met him earlier this year. Top man. |
Prime in this case indicates that the player was playing the role they played during their best seasons. Horry for example is 39-9 for his career in playoff series, but some of those came when he was playing a diminished role and are not tallied here.
Another example, Shaq's last four postseasons were not included in his totals. Overall Shaq's teams are 33-12 in the playoffs. |
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Götterdämmerung
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Some of the numbers are skewered towards players who had the fortune of playing in deeper postseasons.
Russell's numbers should be ranked first since he won 11 titles in 13 years, so percentage should be ranked before totals. |
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GOAT
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And Mikan at 22-1
I think the fact that the playoff were three rounds or fewer during their eras and they are still in the top 20 says quite a bit. |
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RobertDeMeijer
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Nice work, GOAT!
Hmm, no Drexler...
I guess Kurt Rambis was overlooked : P |
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ShaqAttack3234
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Interesting, but while I know we have a different definition of prime, if it's going by roles then it still seems like a stretch to go all the way up to 2006 for Shaq. By that point he was no longer than the first option, and I'd argue that his role changed even earlier. Whether it was going from the leading scorer on his team each of his first 10 seasons to never after that, or always staying between 26.3 ppg and 29.7 ppg from '94-'03 with an average of around 28 and then dropping to 21.5, 22.9 and 20 in '04-'06.
Though his coaches still did call him the first option in '04 and '05('03 was the year where Phil made Kobe the first option midseason and he had that 40 point streak).
Magic is another one where role makes it tricky. I consider '87-'91 his prime, but it also happens to be when his role change from Kareem being the first scoring option to Magic taking over that role. Though for the sake of consistency, it'd seem out of place for Magic's prime to be that short compared to the others. |
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GOAT
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| ShaqAttack3234 wrote: |
Interesting, but while I know we have a different definition of prime, if it's going by roles then it still seems like a stretch to go all the way up to 2006 for Shaq. By that point he was no longer than the first option, and I'd argue that his role changed even earlier. Whether it was going from the leading scorer on his team each of his first 10 seasons to never after that, or always staying between 26.3 ppg and 29.7 ppg from '94-'03 with an average of around 28 and then dropping to 21.5, 22.9 and 20 in '04-'06.
Though his coaches still did call him the first option in '04 and '05('03 was the year where Phil made Kobe the first option midseason and he had that 40 point streak).
Magic is another one where role makes it tricky. I consider '87-'91 his prime, but it also happens to be when his role change from Kareem being the first scoring option to Magic taking over that role. Though for the sake of consistency, it'd seem out of place for Magic's prime to be that short compared to the others. |
For this prime has more of an all-inclusive definition than specific to each player.
The key was consistency. If I was going to count Kareem in 1985 and 86, I felt I should count Shaq in 2005 and 2006. They were still crucial to their teams success. Same with Magics early years and Oscar's Bucks years.
Prime really just means quality I guess.
I also have it broken down by peak, which for guys in the top 12 all-time means when they were the franchise guy. I'll post those at some point too. |
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ShaqAttack3234
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| GOAT wrote: |
| ShaqAttack3234 wrote: |
Interesting, but while I know we have a different definition of prime, if it's going by roles then it still seems like a stretch to go all the way up to 2006 for Shaq. By that point he was no longer than the first option, and I'd argue that his role changed even earlier. Whether it was going from the leading scorer on his team each of his first 10 seasons to never after that, or always staying between 26.3 ppg and 29.7 ppg from '94-'03 with an average of around 28 and then dropping to 21.5, 22.9 and 20 in '04-'06.
Though his coaches still did call him the first option in '04 and '05('03 was the year where Phil made Kobe the first option midseason and he had that 40 point streak).
Magic is another one where role makes it tricky. I consider '87-'91 his prime, but it also happens to be when his role change from Kareem being the first scoring option to Magic taking over that role. Though for the sake of consistency, it'd seem out of place for Magic's prime to be that short compared to the others. |
For this prime has more of an all-inclusive definition than specific to each player.
The key was consistency. If I was going to count Kareem in 1985 and 86, I felt I should count Shaq in 2005 and 2006. They were still crucial to their teams success. Same with Magics early years and Oscar's Bucks years.
Prime really just means quality I guess.
I also have it broken down by peak, which for guys in the top 12 all-time means when they were the franchise guy. I'll post those at some point too. |
Ok, thanks for the clarification. |
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